No Charges Will Be Filed Against "Social Media Threat" Student
Livingston County Prosecutor will not authorize charges against the Hartland High School senior.
There will be no charges filed against the 18-year-old Hartland High School student whose texts that were sent out to some of his fellow students on May 23 were perceived as threatening and caused a social media panic.
According to the Press & Argus, Livingston County prosecutor David Morse will not be authorizing charges against the high school senior calling the student’s actions “stupid” and “misguided” but not criminal.
No identity has been released.
The Hartland High School senior is currently on a 10-day suspension and will receive an expulsion hearing before the ten days are up, according to Superintendent Janet Sifferman.
Sifferman also confirmed earlier this week that some of the vandalism acts around Hartland High School that included have the number 24 spray painted across the entrance sign and burned into the grass, was the work of different students and not related to the social media threats.
“The student that issued the texts that were perceived as threats had nothing to do with the vandalism,” Sifferman said.
Two students received 10-day suspensions for their vandalism and are also waiting for expulsion hearings.
hartland eagle
6:56 am on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Wow, this kid must have the best lawyer in the world to sell that story to prosecutor. Sifferman buys it also, apparently. We'll see if the school board is as guillible at the expulsion hearing.
sassyme
12:46 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Your bitterness is showing hartland eagle. And against a kid?
Why don't you and your buddies just give it a rest?
hartland eagle
2:39 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Maybe I am bitter. Maybe that's because I had to coax a scared little boy into going to school for a week after this happened. Maybe he was like that because the school had a Columbine assembly just a few days before this happened.
Angela
8:03 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Yes, let's do society a huge favor by turning a teenage boy out into the world without a high school diploma. That will certainly make the world a much better place.
Gantzman
4:45 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
This permissive attitude is another example of the PC atmosphere that will eventually destroy what we have known as decent society. This stupid person should have been expelled, disallowed from graduating with his class and faced some sort of criminal charges to discourage future stupidity of this nature. God forbid anything like Columbine happens again. And where are the parents in this? I hope this kid is disciplined more severely at home than the prosecuter has seen fit. Looks like all he cares about is getting re-elected.
hartland eagle
5:36 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
FYI, the prosecutor isn't running again.
Angela
8:03 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Apparently you grew up in a different world than I did. When I was in school, the adults expected that kids would do bone-headed things once in a while, and didn't blow things way our of proportion. They also didn't set out to ruin their lives, especially when absolutely nobody was hurt. Of course, that was back when the cops were much more friendly and would drive idiot kids back home instead of taking them to jail, too.
Marie
5:31 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
While what this student said was inappropriate and wrong, what everyone doesn't seem to know or understand is that had this 17 year old boy who got the "you're first" text, knew the 18yr old was joking and deliberately lied to get attention from girls. He even told the 18yr old not to tell anyone they were joking (inappropriately and wrongly so) because he enjoyed the attention he was getting. While the originator of the text is wrong had the 17yr old not lied this would have never gone any further than boys making inappropriate comments to each other as boys do. Now I don't see anyone here calling for punishment for the 17yr old? So who really started the panic? Why is he able to graduate and not suspended?
The paper clearly said the people who the texts went to knew who it was and never felt threatened. The prosecutor made his decision based upon the investigation not for re-election.
I am amazed at how quick people believe everything they read and take it as gospel. Before the truth came out people on here asked for the death penalty, called him a monster, said his parents were horrible people to raise such a child. This was and is a good kid who made a stupid decision. None of you people can tell me that your kids have not said something that could be misconstrued and made out to be more than it is. Again, had this conversation between two friends not been used for someone else's gain we would not be having this conversation.
hartland eagle
5:52 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Hogwash.
So, in your world, if the 17 year old had told everyone it was a joke, we should have just ignored the death threats? Puh-lease.
I haven't read anyone calling for the death penalty, so don't blow things out of proportion. It is, however, a disgrace to have zero legal action taken - for a publicly issued death threat.
You know what the penalty for pulling a fire alarm in Michigan is? Up to a year in jail and up to $1000 fine. A bomb threat is a felony, and is up to 4 years in jail and a $2000 fine.
We lost a day of school, scared a hell of a bunch of kids and parents - and the prosecutor sees fit to let this young man walk away with no ramifications. None. At all.
Let's hope the school board doesn't make the same mistake. Immediate expulsion and not graduating with his class seems more than appropriate.
Annie
7:43 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Hartland Eagle, your superior attitude never ceases to amaze me. You CANNOT believe everything you read or hear in the media. Marie, you sound like you have personal knowledge of the situation, thank you for taking the time to explain. I am glad that charges are not being filed. The suspension, no graudation and an expulsion hearing with the possibility of no diploma are sufficient consequences for a dumb mistake.
hartland eagle
8:09 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
How about this. Can I believe this?
"My son was one of many who received a death threat text," Becky Shires Cwiek wrote on the Hartland Patch Facebook page. "It said May 24th Your First. They all said the same thing according to the police officer who called him last night.
Where's the masturbation reference in that text message? I don't get it. Perhaps you can explain it to me, Annie.
This is no different than pulling a fire alarm or a bomb threat. This kid is 18 years old. Yes, it was a dumb mistake. That somehow excuses him from paying the price?
Marie
7:05 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
There were no death threats. That's what you seem to not get. You should talk to some of the students that received the texts and get your story straight, none of those students felt threatened in anyway. Not to mention get a copy of the police report I'm sure you can get that under the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act). This 18yr old never said anything on twitter or facebook this kid doesn't even have a twitter account that was all started by the 17yr old. I am not saying that what he did was right in this day and age regardless if you are joking or not you can't discuss things like that in public.
And yes there were people asking for the death penalty. Look back in the comments it was either on here or the Livingstondaily.com site. And maybe those kids would not have been scared if the 17yr old was not lying to get a girls attention.
hartland eagle
8:22 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Is lying to get a girl's attention a crime?
Cause making death threats is.
The Sheriff thought it was a threat, "The parents, rightfully so, took it as a serious threat," Bezotte said.
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7:30 am on Sunday, May 6, 2012
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hartland eagle
8:44 am on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Thank you for removing it. It was directed at me. I don't think any of my comments have ever been removed.
Jerry Menyhart
7:57 am on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Please Hartland Eagle, stop hiding behind a pen name. I am curious to know who would have such irrational views on a subject that you have absolutely NO knowledge of the TRUE facts. I suggest that you let the PROPER authorities make the decisions regarding this issue.....because your judgements against someone you don't know, and for a subject that you only have minimal (and quite possible inaccurate) information, are simply ludicrous and insensitive.
hartland eagle
12:28 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Posting under your own name is naive. This has been discussed many times. Your comments will follow you in perpetuity. Hopefully that works out for you.
And you're right, Jerry. We should let the "proper" authorities pass judgement and not voice an opinion. They always make the right call. Blacks would still be in the back of the bus if people didn't question the "proper" authorities.
Is it IRRATIONAL to think that an 18 year old, who makes threatens multiple people, and shuts down a school for a day should pay some legal price? Really? I can see you thinking he shouldn't serve any time or pay a fine - but to say that it's irrational that I think he should? It's "ludicrous and insensitive" to take the position I have - and by the way, most of the community has?
Please point out the "true facts" I'm missing. The only information I posted were quotes from people directly involved. One from a parent whose son got one of the texts. One from the Sheriff. I took those quotes from published articles in the Hartland Patch and the Livingston Daily. Where'd your "true facts" come from?
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hartland eagle
12:28 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
My comment didn't fit any of that criteria, nor did I give the name of this man's business.
You did allow the comments that called me bitter, irrational, ludicrous and insensitive, though. I consider those abusive and offensive and in violation of the terms of use.
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12:33 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
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hartland eagle
5:56 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
You don't understand - at all - what the word defamation means. I most certainly, absolutely, did not make a defamatory remark. It wasn't even remotely defamatory. Suggest you look up the meaning of the word before making such accusations.
Livingston Chatter
12:28 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
How did this boy get off so easy? Although this is a child and children make mistakes, this mistake caused a school to close down for a day, scared many kids, teachers, parents, and he needs to live up to his consequences and face criminal charges.
Yes, a stupid mistake, but good kid or not, if you make a threat in a school and the school shuts down for a day, you need to face the consequences.
Hartland Parent
5:56 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
I believe it has been stated well already but let me clarify it one more time. There were NO THREATS ever made. The 18 year old who has never been in any trouble his whole life was playing a joke with his friends, none of which felt threatened by his text. The joke was over on Friday. The 17 year old boy then decided to make a real threat out of it over the weekend because he was getting attention from some girl he liked. That is what caused the panic. Please know your facts before you begin to judge people. It would be total injustice if the 18 year old boy is not allowed to return to school and graduate with his class. The 17 year old boy has not been held accountable at all for his actions that clearly caused all the problems. It is very sad what our society has come to these days.
hartland eagle
8:28 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
It's YOUR opinion that no threats were made.
It's was the SHERIFF'S opinion that threats WERE made. It was the PARENTS' opinion that threats WERE made.
These are the facts upon which I base my judgement.
What the 17 year old did, or didn't do, is irrelevent. The 18 year old issued the "you're next" text messages, didn't he? What crime did the 17 year old commit, exactly?
Jason
7:07 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Hartland Eagle,
Yes, making death threats is a crime and should be punished. How the authorities see best fit to punish the criminal is up to them... and those who do not agree can voice their opinion if they want. However, I absolutely doubt you arguing with other commenters will change the ruling. On the Hartland Patch website comments are comments. You may add your own thoughts on the topics if you choose to do so but that is all that is needed. Nobody cares if you disagree with him or her. Nobody cares if you agree. Voice your opinion logically and not so emotionally. If you really care to argue your point the best way to do so is to have straight facts that are indisputable. Your approach to the topic is flawed and quit frankly childish. Learn to state your reasoning logically and you will get more respect.
Additionally do not EVER attack the editor. Most likely she is in fact more intelligent when it comes to the English Language. I don’t think that anyone cares if you were defamatory or not but if the editor states you were then move on. She is doing her job and keeping the website safe for the Hartland Community. (She even removed a mean comment toward you) After all Hartland Eagle, is this not a website that is suppose to be promoting the Hartland community? Share your comments in a Socratic fashion and be understanding that the editor is doing her best to protect you and everyone.
Have a great day Hartland and may God bless the child who made a mistake.
hartland eagle
6:42 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
Oh, but Jason, clearly people DO CARE if I disagree with them. Which is why they get all riled up, call me names, and have their comments deleted. On this subject, or any other mildly controversial one. Clearly YOU CARE, or you wouldn't have taken the time to write a lengthy reply. I can count the number of people that can have a civilized debate on local issues online on one hand.
My reasoning is very plainly stated. I cited the quotes on which I based my position. No one else, including you, has even addressed that - just repeated generalized statements that "no one" felt threatened. A lot of kids and parents were scared about this. Some of us dealt with it for a week afterwards.
As far as the editor - why on Earth wouldn't I point out to someone that makes a false accusation about me that they're wrong? That's what you'd do? The comment was directed at her, I didn't think she'd post it. My statement was not defamatory at all. It wasn't even close.
And this is not a website to promote the Hartland community. This is a commercial enterprise, created for the purpose of generating web traffic and selling ad space, as a part of a network of 500+ sites, owned and operated by AOL.
Marie
6:43 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
Hartland Eagle, these quotes are from the Argus, The texts were: "24," "May 24" and "You're first."." When the senior told his friends that it was a joke, a 17-year-old friend who received the initial texts asked him not to confess right away because he was enjoying the female attention as well, he said. The you're first and 17yr old are the same person, I'm sure you can put it together.
So again, I agree it was an inappropriate conversation between boys but who really started the panic?
hartland eagle
6:22 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Sorry, I don't follow your reasoning at all.
"the 18-year-old student sent three texts to 12 friends and himself using an application that blocked his cell phone. The texts were: "24," "May 24" and "You're first."
He sent the message to 12 people. The 17 year old asked him not to confess. So? Please explain. He sent it to 12 people, and he purposely tried to hide his identity.
Jerry Menyhart
10:15 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
Hey Hartland Eagle, thanks for your anonymous reply. First of all, I don't care if everyone knows my opinion on this subject, or the fact that they may hold something against me because of it. I have plenty of family, friends, and loyal customers who know me and love me for the compassionate person that I am. A person who believes that due punishment, when appropriate, is manadatory, and compassion for an 18 yr old who made a simple mistake (whether it caused MASS HYSTERIA on your part or not) be treated APPROPRIATELY.
I happen to know the identity of this boy who made the mistake, and his father coached my son during his HAYAA baseball activities, so therefore can make a logical decision whether his intent was malicous or not, so I suggest that people stop condemning these people and move on with your PERFECT life!
Except for you Hartland Eagle, people make mistakes, and yes while this one caused some hysteria and heartache for the community, and of course inconvenienced many.....no one died, no one was in danger of their life, no real threat existed, so I say once again, let the proper authorities access the proper punishment.
By the way, why has there been little talk of the two malicous vandals who started all this mess! They are the ones who should be punished more severely, in my opinion of course, because they willfully and knowingly went to the school with the INTENT on defacing school property.
There was no intent on the other boys part!
hartland eagle
6:22 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
AHH!!! Now I see your passion on the issue. You know the kid. Fantastic. You saw him play baseball, so yes, naturally you're able to make a judgement on what he intended.
Of course his intent was malicious. He texted "You're next" to people. Somehow the prosecutor interprets that as a masturbation reference. What would be your interpretation, Jerry? He was threatening people, no different than pulling a fire alarm, or calling in a bomb threat. The Sheriff interpreted it as a threat, the parents of those that recieved the messages interpreted it as a threat, and the school district interpreted it as a threat. The fact that it wasn't meant as a threat means zero. Tell me, Jerry, if the boy had called in a bomb threat to school, should he be prosecuted? After all, no one was in danger. There was no real threat.
You want the kid to walk because you know him. Simple as that.
Jerry Menyhart
10:15 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
Oh just so that everyone knows I'm not perfect, in my third paragraph of my previous post, I meant to say "assess" the proper punishment, not "access". Thanks!
Jason
10:31 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
Hartland Eagle,
When are you going to stop and realize that nobody cares that you want the kid charged as a terrorist? Everytime someone voices their own opinion you attack them. I'm surprised you have not not been blocked from commenting on this topic. I enjoy your comments on other stories and most of the time I agree with you, but your comments on this story are irritaiting. All I can say to the kid that did the crime is good for you.
And additionally you have not made one valid point except for your child was scared. Who's also only appealing to emotion in their argument? Give me one valid point and maybe people will respect you. And FYI this website does promote hartland. It has brought the community together, made us more aware of our surroundings, and it has shown other towns near us that Hartland has more to offer than they thought. And if I might add our editor has done a great job keeping this website running. Email her if you have an issue with her like she stated above multiple times. Don't disrespect someone publicly when they are only doing their job.
sassyme
11:05 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
Jason,
Hartland Eagle is upset that Ms. Sahouri is being removed from her administrative position and is taking his anger out on everyone.
Specifically to Hartland Eagle, your posted statement regarding posting anonymously was "This has been discussed many times." No, this hasn't been discussed numerous times, truthfully it was posted once in a thread regarding Ms. Sahouri.
Finally, it's my experience that a child does as a parent does. IF you had a "scared little boy" at home, Hartland Eagle, perhaps you need to reflect on your own behavior.
hartland eagle
6:09 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
Yes, Jason, I get it. You don't care. Which is why you took the time to write a reply to me.
I've made plenty of valid points. You, and others, choose to ignore them.
hartland eagle
6:23 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
As I explained, Ore Creek had an assembly about the Columbine massacre a few days before this incident occured. Lots of children were scared. Lots of children from my neighborhood that attend other district schools were kept home. BECAUSE THEY AND THEIR PARENTS WERE SCARED.
Jerry Menyhart
2:27 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
I just want to thank Annie, Marie, Jason, Sassyme, and Hartland Parent for your rational comments regarding this issue! Also, Livingston Chatter I respect your comments too, although I don't believe "he got off easy", no charges were filed because no laws were broken, and the prosecutor made his decision after a thorough investigation of the FACTS of the case. And this kid has suffered consequences and will possibly suffer more based on the expulsion hearing, however they are, and will be made, by the people (investigators, school officials, and parents) with the knowledge of the true facts of the issue. While I believe this individual should face some consequences, I also believe that the punishment needs to fit the crime, so to speak. And in the end I believe that will happen because the proper people will assess the punishment, not irrational people who have only limited, incorrect, or rumored information regarding the case, or that they are reacting to the fact they, or someone in their family, felt like they were directly violated by the actions(s) of the individual(s) involved. Let's just forgive and move on!
hartland eagle
7:10 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
What are the true facts I'm missing? Please enlighten me. The facts I base my opinion that he should be prosecuted, all of which I read in the paper as direct quotes were:
- He sent a text message to 12 people that said "you're first" using an app to block his identity.
- Parents thought it was a threat. They called the police.
- The police perceived it as a threat when it happened.
- The school district thought it was a threat when it happened and closed the school.
This is very simply stated. Here's your chance to set the record straight, if the news media has incorrectly reported any of these as facts. I'm all ears. Convince me and I'll write the board asking them to support the student at the expulsion hearing.
Yes, this is a personal matter to me. My children were impacted by this student's actions. Someone I knew was shot and nearly killed in my past. Threats like this are not a joking matter to me.
This is not a kid. He's 18. Old enough to vote. Old enough to buy a gun. You say he's a good person. Great. That's not justification for not paying the price for one's actions, though. Plenty of good people go to jail or pay fines every day...
Jerry Menyhart
2:27 pm on Monday, May 7, 2012
One last comment, then I'm done with this issue:
I would like to suggest to the people who want to persecute this young man, please read "Hartland Girl" comments from a previous Patch Article (Spray Painting at Hartland High School"). This is not a kid who meant any harm to anyone, and I'm sure has suffered enough already. Please, lets forgive and learn from his mistakes! And God Bless you young man.
Jerry Menyhart
5:50 am on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
So Hartland Eagle you are basing your entire position on this matter solely on the original perceptions of the parents, police, and school district, as well as your emotions, and "things you read in the paper", as you stated. Ever think that what is written isn't fact?!! Well while I totally understand their original handling of the situation, as they absolutely have a responsibility to protect the students and community, they obviously made a decision not to prosecute after reviewing the true facts of the case, and speaking to every one of the students directly or indirectly involved, and decided that it was both not a legal violation of the law, but an innocent mistake by a student. You say that the parents thought it was a threat, it wasn't. The police perceived it as a threat, they have to until proven otherwise, which they did. The school district perceived it as a threat, once again, they have to until proven otherwise, which they did.
And by the way, never met the kid in my life, his younger brother played with my son. I only know that judging this young man in the court of public opinion is wrong! Especially when you base your judgement on what is written in the media! Because they are never wrong, like you!
Jerry Menyhart
5:50 am on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Continued for Hartland Eagle.....I have based my judgement on many things, I've spoken with students directly involved in the text messaging, I've spoken to school administrators who have knowledge of the facts, I've spoke to my son who attends HHS (Not HMS who weren't even involved, and by the way, the school district didn't feel were threatened in any way since they were not included in the closing of schools) and he has given me information about whats being said around the school, and also bits and pieces of the articles written that I know to be factual.
So start writing that endorsement to the school board for this young man.
Meg
5:51 am on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
I'm sorry but therehas to he some reproductions for this kid. yes kids do stupid things they drink and drive they get high all of which have punishments. pulling a fire alarm is stupid but it has a consequence to it. joking or not this kid caused a whole school to be shut down for a whole day had extra sheriffs time and increased security brought in and an investigation created just for being stupid. glad my tax dollars are spent affording him zero consequences instead of expanding my child's learning. the only thing this is promoting is to convince people what u did wrong was a joke and u get off Scott free-doesn't add up to me.
Meg
5:51 am on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Sorry about spelling errors I couldn't see what I was typing but u c an get the idea
Jerry Menyhart
9:15 am on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Meg, appreciate and agree with your opinion. I believe this young man will pay some consequence, all I'm asking is that it fits the crime. The people who rant and rave about what a bad person he is, or that his parents are horrible to have raised such a child, or that he needs to be in prison, not graduate, etc, etc. are simply not fairly judging him or the severity of the offense. It was a joke gone wrong, no intent to threaten anyone, and wasn't meant to disrupt the entire community. While I realize the havoc it caused was stressful to many, what I believe people must consider is, that the poor kid didn't mean for it to get to the point it did. And for anyone to equate it to "a bomb threat", or "pulling a fire alarm", or to "posessing a firearm", or any weapon for that matter, is simply wrong in their opinions.
The issue here is, INTENT, which all of the aforementioned have. There was none in this case, just a kid making a joke that was taken the wrong way. Lets prosecute real criminals, like the vandals who defaced school property which started this whole mess!
Hartland HS Parent
11:11 am on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Jerry, I spoke with a female student that received a text stating "you are #*", she was terrified all weekend, monday and tuesday of that week. The two were having fun causing havoc, that was the intent you are saying doesn't exist. The recipients of the texts weren't in on the "joke".
This event does not make the "kid" (who's name many of us know) and his friend "bad people", nor are his parents "bad people". However, something a little more than a 10 day suspension needs to be done to prevent others from doing the exact same thing (in your mind "harmless") Some community service and a fine could do the trick. Sometimes, not embarassing your family, or costing them some money, or goiving up some free time, is a deterrent from acting foolishly. Maybe simply releasing his name, as he is an adult, would accomplish the same.
Livingston County is gaining a reputation of being "soft" on 18 year olds, treating them like children, only to have them become repeat offenders soon thereafter.
Lastly, they are prosecuting the vandals. But I assure you, this "joke" has cost the community far more than the spray painting will.
Actually, one more thing, a question for you. Would you please explain to me how his idiotic reference to "polishing his rifle" is linked to the "you are #", "you are next" and the "24" texts? To me, it only shows how it started off as joking, and moved to terrorizing. Thanks.
Jerry Menyhart
8:26 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
HHS Parent....I want to stress that I have never said this young man shouldn't face some consequence....and you have stated some good options....All I have ever argued is that some people are not realistic in their opinions on how harsh the consequence should be.
Secondly, as I understand it to be, the school district decided not to prosecute the vandals, but rather "handle it internally". Now this is what I heard, so take it for what it's worth. I only argue facts, so I can't be certain of this.
Lastly, the "polishing his rifle" reference you are unclear about, is a reference to his sexual organ, and that is the masturbation reference that know one seems to have figured out yet. So as you can see, things can be taken out of context.
Marie
6:26 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Ok, so I have reviewed the police report and I am telling you all the only texts that were sent were the refernce 24, May 24, you're first and the polishing of the rifle. The "you're first" student knew who sent the text and knew it was a joke. There is a text that the "you're first" sent to the originator and asked him not to tell anyone that it was a joke and again school and police have a picture of the text. He knew by the end of the day there was no threat or anything to worry about. The student who received the polishing the rifle knew who it was and the texts thereafter were hinting to inappropriate innuendos and was playing along with the banter. AND NEVER FELT THREATENED. As far as students getting texts saying you are number --- there were none by the individual. Also the "You're fist" student the police even stated in the report they questioned his statements as being credible. So yes this took a life of it's own via rumors and such, inappropriate comments yes but there was never any intent or nor did he ever threaten anyone. And yes Hartland HS parent I'm sure everyone knows who this student is but I believe he has suffered enough as well as his family. There has been more false reporting in the media regarding this subject than truth. Almost like how the texts spread across the student body. For those who asked for compassion on behalf of the family they thank you. Any more questions just ask. So you can base your opinions on truth not rumor.
Jerry Menyhart
8:26 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
thank you Marie.....and tell them I wish them well!
hartland eagle
8:39 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
So, the prosecutor was misquoted in the Livingston Daily when he said "the 18-year-old student sent three texts to 12 friends and himself using an application that blocked his cell phone. The texts were: "24," "May 24" and "You're first."
And I guess Hartland HS Parent is lying when she said she spoke with a female student that got a "you're first" text and was TERRIFIED.
The 18 year adult that issued death threats and shut down the school has had a 10 day suspension. (also known as a vacation) If the district doesn't impose a substantial penalty, this will surely happen again and again. We lost a day of instruction over this. It shut down the school. 25% of Hartland grads are college ready. We need every day we can get.
Right out of the student handbook, this is considered a SERIOUS violation of the student code and may result in IMMEDIATE recommendation for expulsion.
Threatening the life of any person (student or staff) verbally or physically, or in writing, on school property or at a school related event, as stated in Board Policy #5517 – Harassment of Students.
Falsely activating a fire alarm or initiating or causing to be initiated, any false report
of a threat to the safety of the school community (i.e. bomb threat, severe weather
threat, etc.).
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Marie
6:56 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Hartland Eagle, Hartland HS Parent may have very well spoke with a scared girl all I'm saying is that the 18yr old didn't send it. The police have copies of all the text messages that were sent from his phone what they said and who they were to. He gave them his phone and all his passwords even to the dummy text account. Just like he never sent anything on twitter that was confirmed as well. Any other statements I can clarify for you? You still do not have all the facts and are reciting word of mouth what you have heard and although you are quoting from the paper you still don't know the conversations that happened before or after which would explain so much more of the story than you have. Oh and by the way he never threatened anyone on facebook as well. As far as that goes he never threatened anyone AT ALL.
Hartland HS Parent
2:48 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Well put Marie. It is quite possible another student siezed the opportunity to mess with some others. I'm confident our 18 year old student is no terrorist, and greatly regrets all that has transpired (and recognizes how much trouble they could have been in). Maybe there are many lessons to be learned across the board from this incident. I hope it never repeats.
hartland eagle
8:38 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Well, the prosecutor obviously had the police reports too.
So, your position would be that the prosecutor was very, very badly misquoted in the paper when it was printed that he specifically said the 18 year old sent 36 text messages to students.
It's shocking to me that the parents, or the young adult's lawyer, wouldn't seek an immediate retraction from the Livingston Daily for printing such a prejudicial statement in the paper. Simply shocking. Unbelieveable almost.
sassyme
12:11 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Where is the Hartland Patch self-appointed moderator? LOL
Jordan Genso
1:38 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
[In my best Lurch impression]
You rang?
Sorry I've not had the availability to get involved in this discussion. Nor did I follow the story close enough to know which details have been addressed, and which have not.
If there is a growing mob that is threatening the prosecutor's reputation, I would want to be sure to moderate such activity (even though I have personal complaints against Mr. Morse in an unrelated matter). But to be honest, I just don't have time at the moment to know if that's what's occurring here. If it is, please let me know.
If instead, the discussion is focused on the student, and the student is still anonymous, then the discussion will not have the same potential consequences as discussions regarding identified individuals. I would still ideally want to moderate the comments, but there wouldn't be the same level of urgency. And with limited time, it would be a lower priority.
One last thing (this is for Tatum), the revised format on the homepage, only showing one "recent comment" at a time, makes it much more difficult to follow the discussions taking place. Was the revision planned on being long term, or is it possible to get it back to showing three comments at a time?
Tatum Ryan
1:44 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Hi Jordan- thank you for the question and the feedback. It just so happens that Patch is re-working the site design, literally- as we speak, which is meant to show more comments in the stream. We all agree that Patch is designed as a community forum so being able to see what people are talking is so important- so yes- short answer- we hope to see some changes again soon. (:
As always, thank you to everyone for reading and participating on Patch and if there are any other questions, contact me at tatum.ryan@patch.com