Should Snyder Sign Bill Allowing Concealed Weapons in Schools?

On Friday, a gunman killed at least 27 at a school in Newton, CT. Meanwhile in Michigan, Gov. Snyder has a bill on his desk that would allow some concealed guns in schools. What do you think?

The Michigan Legislature on Friday approved a bill allowing those with additional training to carry concealed weapons into venues such as schools, day care centers, churches and sports stadiums, according to WDIV-TV in Detroit.

The debate over carrying guns in schools was compounded Friday with news that a gunman killed at least 27 people, including 18 students, at an elementary school in Newtown, CT, according to Newtown Patch

Under the bill, open carry would be illegal in such venues, and those who carry concealed weapons would need extra training and time at the gun range, WDIV-TV reported.

Should Michigan's governor sign a bill on is desk that would allow concealed weapons in former no-gun zones, like schools?

Should Gov. Snyder sign this bill?

Tell us in the comments.

Robert Marr December 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM
*To continue to allow.....
Robert Marr December 15, 2012 at 01:32 AM
I'm elated that everyone is OK with the passage of SB59, and the ultimate signing by the Governor. It's the first step in avoiding the carnage we witnessed today in Connecticut.
Nate December 15, 2012 at 01:39 AM
I would like to see teachers carry but a few I've known could barely handle a cup of coffee. I'm sure there would have been less casualties if teachers and parents were allowed to carry on school grounds and someone would have taken the shooter out a little quicker. You also have the fact that more guns means more bullets flying around and the chance of a student getting a hold of the gun if the carrier wasn't responsible enough
Robert Marr December 15, 2012 at 01:55 AM
Exactly, Nate, with one exception, trained carriers don't allow anyone to get their guns. One day with genetic engineering, we'll be able to obliterate the psychopath from this earth. Today, however, there are plenty to go around. To provide them with their own shooting galleries, a.k.a. "pistol-free-zones" is total lunacy. Michigan, fortunately has stood up and said, ENOUGH....
Michele rivette December 15, 2012 at 01:19 PM
Have you seen the stories of trained carriers in the news just this last week who accidentally killed their children? Do we really want teachers carrying guns? Countries with stricter gun control laws and less available guns have low homicide and suicide rates by firearm. Period. Ironic this shooter's mother was shot by her own unsecured guns, purchased prior to the ban in assault weapons in Ct.
Robert Marr December 15, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Yes, Michelle. What a terrible thing for a father, to accidentally shoot his child. He must be dying inside. How did it happen? He broke a couple of the cardinal rules of gun-handling, rules that are pounded into us during all levels of training; a) Always assume the gun is loaded, b) Never put your finger on the trigger unless you are prepared to lose whatever the gun is pointed at. Sadly, America is like no other country. America is the home of 100,000,000 guns, 30,000,000 of which are in the underground stash that is drawn upon by the criminals of this nation. They generally don't go to the gun store to make their purchases because they can't pass the test of criminality. They also don't pay attention to our laws. If we put up a silly sign stating, 'No Guns Allowed", only the law-abiding people will comply. That relieves zero percent of the problem. One statistic that is very interesting is this, of the nine million licensed concealed carriers, not a single one has committed a mass murder today, or any other day, ever. Law abiding gun owners are not the problem. We need to spend more effort going after those who murder thousands of people every year. Including the psychopaths who commit mass murders. Until we can do that, all the feel-good gun laws we come up with will do nothing to control the criminal. Until this nation finds a way to eliminate the criminals' guns, you won't find many decent people willing to give up theirs. It doesn't make good sense.
Steve Losey December 15, 2012 at 04:45 PM
"Trained carriers don't allow anyone to get their guns." Apparently Mr. Marr has never been around a typical 5 year old?
Robert Marr December 15, 2012 at 05:03 PM
Anyone who doesn't have their guns secured while around a 5 year old, is indeed, part of the problem.
Steve Losey December 16, 2012 at 01:22 AM
Anyone that has a gun around a 5 year old period, is a problem.
Robert Marr December 16, 2012 at 05:07 AM
Unless, of course, when they're locked away and inoperable. I hope you lock your kitchen knives away, Steve. They're deadly...
Steve Losey December 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM
When I had 5 year olds running around the house you can bet that those drawers were locked, yes sir. I also had all of my guns removed from the house.
Robert Marr December 16, 2012 at 03:44 PM
Too bad you went to that extent. There are excellent methods available to render guns completely harmless, even totally out of sight using any of several kinds of safes. It's really a shame the recent shooter's mother didn't understand that. If she had lived, I would hope she would have been prosecuted for negligence. Back to SB59. Whether or not Snyder signs it, (to not do would be political suicide) we need to start thinking about whether the state, and its school systems owe us, as parents, a guarantee that they'll send our kids home from school in no worse physical condition than when they picked them up at the bus stop. It is painfully evident that mass murderers select gun-free-zones as their gallery. If we know that, why aren't we demanding a greater level of safety in our schools. Are we OK with the risk?
Steve Losey December 16, 2012 at 04:11 PM
I couldn't agree with you more. Our schools woefully unprotected. As a Union President, I have advocated tirelessly for more safety in my school district. I even paid for the finger printing of my entire membership to ensure that everyone was safe. When it comes to added measures (metal detectors, police liaisons, entrance safety locks) it always comes back to money. The state has taken school funding and continues to take it even now. Communities are strapped for cash (because the State takes it) which makes it almost impossible to get a bond passed. I by all means don't have all the answers but I'm pretty certain that the direction that the States legislature is moving, isn't the answer. Creating a system or environment that "may" be inviting to business to come to Michigan, doesn't do anything to protect or benefit those of us who are already here. The Governor speaks a great deal about "customer service." Ideally if we as residents didn't like our "service", we'd be able to opt out right? Not the case. The legislature has even taken steps to make sure that it's near impossible to remove them if we as citizen tax payers want different customer service representatives. They've basically created the same "boss" situation that they profess that they've delivered us from.
Robert Marr December 16, 2012 at 06:01 PM
My concern is, what we had before wasn't working either. I don't know the answer to funding. The save-all lottery's contribution has been reduced from 40% in 1995 to 30% today, but school revenues are up significantly due to higher sales. Seems the cost of operating schools has out-paced the revenue... If the cost to operate has escalated at the exorbitant rate of universities' costs, it's no wonder we're in trouble. Very important topics, for sure, but we're getting away from SB59 (my fault)
Steve Losey December 16, 2012 at 07:31 PM
If the actual numbers were reported - apples to apples, you would find that public schools are doing better than they have ever done in the history of public education. (Students preforming academically) The issue comes when we measure ALL that our public schools do because we're mandated, against what every free society public schools offer, we look bad. Back to the gun issue. The second amendment allows us the freedom to bare arms. I have no issue with that what so ever. The human intellect and technology will guarantee that firearms will never go away. I seriously don't know how we as a free society will ever be able limit an individuals ability to get a hold of a firearm if that individual really wants their hands on one? The only way that I can see to prevent the kind of insanity that happened in that CT school, is to completely seal off every school building (one way in - one way out) and physically screen every single person and article that is brought into that building. Impossible task! The legislation that was passed allows the ability for more problems. You can never police or guarantee free thought. If someone (completely certified and licensed) "snaps", the ability to open/conceal carry into schools, churches, sporting arenas makes it even easier for that individual to reek havoc.
Robert Marr December 16, 2012 at 07:52 PM
There is only one response that makes sense; Of the nine million licensed, concealed carriers in this nation, not one of them has committed mass murder, not yesterday, not today, not ever. But the bad guys with their illegal guns do all the time. This is the target group, not the subject group in SB59.
Steve Losey December 16, 2012 at 08:18 PM
How will I know if the guy (or girl) walking into my school building with a gun strapped to his or her hip is licensed to carry that weapon? To me, it just creates another whole set of circumstances.
Robert Marr December 16, 2012 at 10:21 PM
If history is any indicator, those cowards only attack in gun-free-zones. However, I hope you can enact your barricaded-school plan, just to be absolutely sure. (I am completely serious about that)
Steve Losey December 17, 2012 at 01:14 AM
The issue being...........there will be no "gun free zones" any longer. Cowards go after the old and the young. In an environment (the classroom) where I try to teach "critical thinking skills" those skills are best learned in a "fear free" atmosphere. Me teaching with my 44 on my hip is not the most calming.
Robert Marr December 17, 2012 at 02:47 AM
Honest question: Would you carry in your class room for the sake of your students?
Steve Losey December 17, 2012 at 09:41 AM
I will not carry in my classroom for the sake of my students.
R Martin December 17, 2012 at 01:46 PM
No he should not sign the bill - because crazy knows no bounds. I know a couple of people with CCW's that have business having one. Keep the guns out of the schools.
Robert Marr December 17, 2012 at 04:12 PM
I know this doesn't mean you're OK with taking a chance with your own child's, or other children's lives, but can you explain why you're so emphatic in your response?
Robert Marr December 17, 2012 at 04:32 PM
@R Martin... If we attempt to strip the emotion from this question, and do a little research, we see that, as I stated before, 'of the nine million licensed, concealed carriers in this nation, not one of them has committed mass murder, not yesterday, not today, not ever.' How about the people you know with "CCWs". What crimes have they committed? Licensed carriers who commit crimes have their permit revoked. By the way, CCW is a crime. It means Carrying A Concealed weapon. People are put in jail for such crimes. In Michigan, those individuals who have passed all the tests can obtain a CPL, Concealed Pistol License. Do you have ideas concerning what can be done to stop these kinds of mass murders from occurring?
Steve Losey December 17, 2012 at 05:39 PM
Allowing guns in schools (regardless of who has them) increases the chances that a firearm MAY be discharged in that area.
Robert Marr December 17, 2012 at 06:39 PM
True, however, guns don't go off by themselves, no more than they would jump out of a safe into the hands of a 5 year old. Sounds like you're opting for the enhanced school-security-enhancement-package. i.e. full lock down, metal detectors, no windows, etc. I guess I would too, except it's likely to be a very long time before that becomes reality, if ever. Obviously, something has to change to protect the kids in the interim.
Steve Losey December 18, 2012 at 02:12 PM
I will still stand by the fact that there is almost a 100% certainty that if there is NO gun in the building, a gun won't be discharged.
R Martin December 18, 2012 at 03:02 PM
When they can carry into the capital then we'll talk. If Snyder finds it safe for kids and churches why not politicians? And Robert - it's a poll not a debate so it's not necessary to address every comment mad with your opinion. It would be nice if it were only cirminals that killed - but it's football players, husbands, mentally ill people, the kid in the nice house that was home schooled, you get the picture. So I stated my opinion because I have a dog in this fight - a wonderful little girl. Respect it as I respect yours and stop tearing down everyone that responds.
Robert Marr December 18, 2012 at 03:53 PM
Sorry, R. I'll hush...
Robert Marr December 18, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Just kidding. It should also be a discussion. You know what they say about opinions...


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